Saturday 8 December 2012

Costa Coffee v Starbucks - a totally misleading comparison

From the BBC:

Starbucks' announcement [that it will 'voluntarily' pay £10 million corporation tax in the UK each year] comes after much public anger over the revelation of how little corporation tax it pays in the UK, with some people saying they would boycott its outlets.

The company has paid just £8.6m in corporation tax in its 14 years of trading in the UK, and nothing in the last three years, despite UK sales of nearly £400m in 2011. Starbucks has reported a taxable profit only once in its 15 years of operating in the UK, often reporting losses...

UK Uncut, a group that protests against corporate tax avoidance in the UK, said that Starbucks' announcement was not enough... "The £10m that Starbucks has estimated it may end up paying is £5m less than that paid by their nearest competitor Costa coffee."

Starbucks has 760 outlets across the UK and says it contributes "£300m to the UK economy" each year. Rival Costa has 1,479 coffee shops.

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(They are completely ignoring the fact that catering services are fully VAT-able, so Starbucks must be paying about £80 million in VAT. VAT-able businesses pay 1/6 as much in Business Rates as they do in VAT = £13 million (about £17,000 for each of 760 shops, looks about right). They then pay twice as much in rent, a privately collected tax of £26 million. Let's assume that wages and salaries make up half their turnover and that's taxable at average rate 40%, that's another £80 million. Tot that up and Starbucks is handing over about £200 million a year in tax. Not nothing. I got a good kicking for pointing this out at a Leftie meeting yesterday. But I digress as usual.)
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If you know anything about international tax, you will know that that is a totally stupid and misleading comparison. Here is a bare bones crash course, if you do not know and understand this (like those idiots UK Uncut) then you might as well keep your mouth shut:

1. Most countries have a rule which says that dividends from overseas subsidiaries are exempt.

2. Different countries have different corporation tax rates. As a generalisation, the larger the country, the higher the rate.

3. Most countries allow companies in a group to pay each other 'management charges' or 'royalties' which are sometimes subject to withholding tax of between 10% to 20%, and sometimes exempt, all depending on double tax treaties and prevailing rates. The UK has tax treaties with most civilised countries; if you want to pay/receive cross-charges to/from other subsidiaries in those countries, the withholding tax rate is low or zero. If you want to pay royalties to a subsidiary in a tax haven, the withholding tax rate is 20%.

4. Companies try to minimise the total corporation tax they pay, but if there is a 'choice' as to which country they pay in, then as a tie-breaker, they prefer to pay more tax in their 'home' countries than abroad (shareholders are more likely to get credit for this when they receive dividends).
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So applying these rules:

- if a UK based group has a subsidiary with a profit of £100 in a high corporation tax country (say 30%) where the withholding tax rate is 20%, it will prefer to get those profits out as a cross-charge of £100. It suffers 20% (£20) withholding tax, which it claims as a credit against UK corporation tax of 24%, so it pays another £4 in the UK. Total tax bill £24.

- if the same UK based group has a subsidiary with a profit of £100 in a low corporation tax country (say 15%) with a withholding tax rate of 5%, it will prefer to pay the £15 tax in the other country and take an £85 dividend which is not taxed in the UK.

- if the same UK based group has a subsidiary with a profit of £100 in a medium tax country (say 24%) it is pretty indifferent whether it pays itself the profits as a dividend or cross-charge. But it will be incurring UK head office costs which are tax-allowable, so there is no point having tax-free income because they can't offset the costs. So on balance, they will go for cross-charge rather than dividend, especially if the withholding tax rate is lower than the corporation tax rate in the other country (which is nearly always the case).

So we can safely assume that:

- Costa Coffee (part of Whitbread), a UK-based international group, will be underpaying corporation tax in other countries and paying roughly the "right" amount in the UK.

- Starbucks, a US-based international group, will be underpaying corporation tax in other countries (including the UK) and paying roughly the "right" amount in the USA.

Summary: you cannot compare the two companies' UK corporation tax payments, it is a diagonal comparison. Before we slag off Starbucks (who pay for too much tax in the UK) and hold out Costa Coffee as a shining example, we should be asking how much corporation tax Costa Coffee pays or avoids in other countries. Obviously, Costa Coffee is made to pay far too much tax in the UK (VAT and PAYE), separate topic.

49 comments:

Sobers said...

Did you also point out at your Leftie meeting that under your LVT proposals Starbucks would be paying even less tax overall (VAT, NI,business rates, corporation tax, duties etc etc) than they do now? Or did you not think it would be a great selling point?

Kj said...

I would have been thrilled if he did, if I only could have been present to watch the frothing outrage.

Jill said...

Plus: why are we concentrating on companies who have a goodly proportion of franchises? The franchisees are domestic, so they're paying the employer NICs, the business rates, and - gosh - either the income tax or the corporation tax anyway. Even if you take the whole issue at the (UnCut outrage) face value, why choose franchise outfits? I don't get it.

Lola said...

I have read somewhere, or recall reading somewhere that of say an average coffee price of £2.20, about £1.60 is rent for the prime locations they choose. LVT is the obvious tax

Robin Smith said...

Bloody good post. KUTGW.

Try to understand this idea and it might help understand the minds of the 'lefties'. Do not try to reason with them. They are more 'religious' than any fundamentalist by a long way:

Lefties are rent seekers as much as corporate banking rogues.

Bankers are particularly 'successful' at it due to ambition and skill.

Lefties are hopelessly useless at it, for the opposite reasons, but still pursue rent seeking regardless. Its the system stupid!

Their attacks here are a latent exposition of pure jealousy of anyone with wealth. That they are not as skilled at getting the rents, for their own class.

Ironically they dont realise no great fortune was ever made by free enterprise. Always rent seeking. Even on the Left. They are just shite at it. This is why they think tax IS NOT theft. And rent seeking is irrelevant.

I watched ukuncut and the other late comers at St Pauls. Often thrown out of meetings. They were despised as much as the bankers because we could see right through them. Many were looking for celebrity and a future career working for the 1%. Sadly the camp was soon co opted by them and the magic left us, and rightly so.

The TJN leader told me "if it wasnt for us, this would not have been such a success". How we laughed and pitied the man.

Mark Wadsworth said...

S, they are my friends so I am allowed to make derogatory comments. You're not.

Fact is, they are all land value taxers and we all know perfectly well that the tax paid by [businesses + employees + customers + owners of commercial land and buildings] would go down by about eighty per cent. The tax paid by [owners of residential land and buildings + tenants] would go up to balance.

Kj, see my reply to S.

Jill, that is a most excellent point, which I had completely overlooked.

I ought to go back and re-write the whole post. I don't know what the franchise fee per shop is, but clearly there is no correlation between total turnover of all franchisee shops (£400 million + VAT] and the profits/royalty income which the franchisor gets.

L, yes, anything above about £1 per cup is pure location rent or brand name rent.

RS, I was at the CEJ meeting, they're decent blokes all in all.

Robin Smith said...

MW. Everyone is a decent bloke. But we are all rent seekers. I dont follow you.

Blaming any particular class is futile. We are all at it. Accepting this simple fact is the first stage of progress. Ignore it and nothing will change.

Lefties are 'Pharisees' though because they hide behind a veil of plant saving, yet are still perpetrating. Righties are just blatant.

Try to understand the psychology. It saves a lot of time. In the end. This is what the TERC is about. Innovation in thought.

Mark Wadsworth said...

RS, agreed, I was just saying, is all. Of course we all like collecting rent, I do it as much as anybody but at least I'm honest about it and don't pretend that my savings and my income come from "sensible investment" or "socially useful work".

Mark Wadsworth said...

Jill, or maybe not. According to this, Starbucks has only just started offering franchises.

That article says that some of their shops are licensed. I don't know how that is wildly different to being a franchisee, presumably either way you have to pay a % of turnover or so many pence per cup or a flat annual fee or something.

Sobers said...

I'll make derogatory comments about whoever I so choose, thank you very much. I most certainly don't need your permission to do so.

Lola said...

Is there not an element of 'risk' that is required to differentiate 'investment' from 'rent seeking'? Clearly someone who puts up the risk capital for an enterprise in the expectation of a dividend (aka 'rent') has capital more at risk than a land owner or bank (usurer).

Physiocrat said...

Starbucks pay for the infrastructure they use, provided at taxpayers' expense, in the rent they pay their landlords. Unfortunately their landlords hold on to most of it so the taxpayer never gets paid for what is provided. Starbucks are not to blame - it is the fault of the legislators for allowing landlords to hold on to their unearned revenues.

Graeme said...

thank christ someone else understands these things...I was starting to think I was all alone on this planet, ruled by idiots and full of stupid journos and the curtain-twitchers at private eye, even having to argue this point on the ICAEW linked-in site.

Mark Wadsworth said...

S, there there.

L, strictly speaking, neither land nor financial assets are 'capital', so landowners and bankers have no capital which they can risk. They just have rental income, for which they might or might not have paid a 'capitalised' amount.

Ph, agreed.

G, don't worry, we might be in a small minority but we are not alone.

Kj said...

MW: your blog your rules. Just to note there is a certain challenge bringing home the message that just taxation by our standards doesn't necessarily mean corporations and "the rich" will foot most of the tax-bill.

Kj said...

They will foot the net tax bill though, different matter.

Mark Wadsworth said...

Kj, depends how you define "rich".

All earners will pay less, people who've invested in actual businesses will pay less, the rent collectors will pay a lot more and will more or less disappear as a class.

Don't forget, many rich people are only rich because they own land; relatively few own land because they are rich.

Jill said...

Mark - perhaps I'm mixing up with Costa then? Sorry! (Too lazy to actually look).

Kj said...

Depends how the Left, as a sweeping generalization, defines the rich. There is probably no problem convincing your average commie or champagne-socialist that privilege, landownership, needs to be subject to increased taxation. That owners of real capital and high-earners in general aren't doing anything wrong or deserve to be hammered with taxes as a function of their income rather than their land-use, may be a tougher sell. The way the tax-avoidance movement is going, it more resembles angry villagers with pitchforks against anything with an income, than potential allies IMO, but I hope I am wrong.

Kj said...

Tax avoidance/tax justice/against cuts/etc.-movement, etc.

Mark Wadsworth said...

J, it would appear that only a tenth of Costa Coffees are franchises, but your point still stands.

Kj: "The way the tax-avoidance movement is going, it more resembles angry villagers with pitchforks against anything with an income, than potential allies IMO"

I'm afraid you are right.

They say "OK, but if we tax land values not earned income, then the bankers will get away with it (and they will all move into very small cheap flats)".

They flatly refuse to realise that bankers' incomes are just rent collected by senior employees out of the rental income (mortgage interest) which banks collect from the general public.

When we have LVT, the bankers won't be able to make inflated loans on inflated land values, so there will be very little rental income left for them to collect privately. So that's chopped them off at the knees.

Lola said...

MW. Yes, I see that. But I was trying to differentiate between 'risk capital' and 'land'. So if you do put up some or part of your real wealth to finance an enterprise that 'creates wealth' (and I assume that this can be both widget making and services - health services for example) you have a chance of losing that wealth. Is there a difference between seeking dividend payments as partly enjoying the success of the enterprise and rent from land holding? I would have thought so.

Robin Smith said...

KJ, totally agreed. If the rent was collected and work and enterprise were de-taxed, there would be no profit left in the art of rent seeking. The guys who are so good at it today would use their skills just as well in productive economic activity instead. The less skilful would still be jealous of them I expect. I'm not anti lefty and more than righty. But I cannot bear the hypocrisy.

Lola: go ask a slave how he feels about having his labour sold forever. Remember the poor slave owners widow? Is it right to 'invest' in stolen property? There is no risk, the value of that always rises over the long term. RENT!

The danger as always is if we fail to define terms in advance, clearly, these arguments are unresolvable. Notice how that is the first duty of anyone denying this simple truth - go nasty bananas with anyone who tries to define the meaning of the term "WEALTH". The object noun, and subject matter, of political economy. The root.

MW Granted. All everyone needs to do is ADMIT this simple fact. That we are all complicit in the rent seeking. Then we can start progress. Alas, its always someone else to blame. I'm not sure if this is nature, a disease, or a game god is playing with us.

Mr Osborne is dead right when he says "there is no easy way out".

Mark Wadsworth said...

L: "Is there a difference between seeking dividend payments as partly enjoying the success of the enterprise and rent from land holding?"

Yes of course. One adds to overall wealth, the other reduces it.

James Higham said...

They are completely ignoring the fact that catering services are fully VAT-able, so Starbucks must be paying about £80 million in VAT.

Absolutely. Nice post, Mark.

Lola said...

RS. It's worse than that IMHO - what we have now is 'wage slavery', enforced by debt obligations to land owners and banks which the State loves as it means people have to work to earn a living to pay these rents which in turn means that they can be taxed, aka fleeced.

As far as I can see LVT/CD combination means that you can decide whether to pay tax or not...

What scares me is that people have been brainwashed into 'wanting' a pension. In other words there is no expectation of financial independence until they are 65 (68, 70, 71....?). I spend inordinate amounts of time with clients pointing this out. Most of them get quite cross...

Roll on the revolution.

Mark Wadsworth said...

JH, thanks. It's not difficult is it?

L, "LVT/CD combination means you can decide whether to pay tax or not..."

Exactly. Or you can choose to swap your CD for some "free" land. Altho' that's not how the Homeys see it :-)

Physiocrat said...

How much tax does Starbucks pay under the heading of "employees' " PAYE and NI? The incidence of these taxes is on the employer.

Under an LVT system, companies operating in the UK would pay their full due, nothing less and nothing more.

Mark Wadsworth said...

Phys, I said in the article, about £80 million a year.

Let's not bicker about whether incidence of PAYE is on employer or employee - let's take "the business" as a whole (employees, suppliers, owners, lenders, customers etc) and look at the total tax which they collectively have to pay in order to be able to exchange goods and services, which is about £200 million a year.

Anonymous said...

Just saw this blog and I am no economist but the statement that Costa pay £80m VAT is surely normal. Every company pays VAT except for food and children's clothing, and don't we as purchasers pay the VAT anyway which is collected by the companies then paid to the government? So how are the paying it....

Physiocrat said...

Interesting about the incidence of VAT. It was reduced for restaurant meals from 25% to 12.5% in Sweden a while back but prices hardly dropped. Possibly because food prices went up. So very difficult to say where the incidence falls. People get used to paying what they pay. Food prices seem a bit lower in Sweden than in the UK sort of Waitrose quality at Tesco prices.

Mark Wadsworth said...

Phys, lots of countries did VAT reductions for catering or similar in the years after 2008.

They all observed the same thing - prices didn't drop much but supply increased a lot.

That's because demand for restaurant meals is very price elastic (it's not a necessity). So VAT is borne by the restaurant.

PS, actual food costs as a % of total restaurant costs are negligible, so changes in food prices have little or no effect on restaurant meal prices.

Bayard said...

Economic Myths: VAT is a tax on luxuries and is borne by the consumer. Have you done this one already, Mark?

Mark Wadsworth said...

B, yes of coures, lots of times.

Observed facts tell us that VAT is (largely) borne by supplier/producer.

Therefore, a tax on "luxuries" is a tax on the producers of luxuries, who themselves probably have average salaries.

Bayard said...

Are you collecting the "Economic Myths" like you are the KLNs?

Mark Wadsworth said...

B, I'm using the "EM" tag.

So far it is a random overlapping collection but maybe one day I will do a whole separate blog of them.

Kj said...

Re "tax on luxuries". I read about the experience on the american luxury tax on yachts. Had massive implications for boat production, domestic anyway, much larger than the percentage added would predict. Elastic demand and all that.

Physiocrat said...

A tax on clocks in 1797 had ruined the Clerkenwell clock industry before repeal the following year. But of course only wealthy people had clocks, was the stupid argument. The stupidity continues...

Mark Wadsworth said...

Kj, i vaguely remember reading about that. Basic principles tell us that this is what will happen. Experience tells us that the outcome is far worse than predicted.

But do you have a link?

Kj said...

MW: here is a brief note about it.
http://books.google.no/books?id=4-Vr4KKQd4sC&pg=PA96&lpg=PA96&dq=luxury+tax+yacht+effects&source=bl&ots=A_U8jL2R_D&sig=DKKDIMxwE_IADGaxlXbjmXAQvAU&hl=no&sa=X&ei=1ReDUs2IKsnHtQbPz4HoBw&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=luxury%20tax%20yacht%20effects&f=false

I notice though, that this was only on domestically built boats. The effects would presumably not have been as severe if it was on imports as well. It was 10% of the price over 100.000. I assume this was in addition to any general sales taxes.

Mark Wadsworth said...

Kj, this article says it was a tax on US built and imported yachts.

I can't imagine they would be so stupid as to have it on domestically built but not on imported.

Kj said...

It doesn´t actually say that explitly though does it? But OTOH, it wouldn´t be the first time Ben Bernanke writes bunkum.

Bayard said...

Kj, English history is littered with taxes on luxuries that simply killed local industries, like the tax on watches, or the tax on wigs.

Mark Wadsworth said...

Kj, the article I linked refers to "excise" on yachts, which usually means "import duty" as well as ordinary sales tax.

Kj said...

MW: true, but the one source says exploicitly, the other not, I also find it likely that excise means "sold within the country".

B: and windows I believe? Well, the flipside for the egalitarian is that even if people lose their jobs, the luxury as an annoyance is removed from the public sphere until a new form of status-symbol is in place...

Bayard said...

Yes, indeed windows. I didn't think they were a luxury, but OTOH glass was pretty expensive back then. I have a physical reminder of the watch tax: a large face clock called an "Act of Parliament clock" because they were made for the pub trade, the idea being that people who could no longer afford a watch would step into the pub to check the time and whilst there might buy a drink or two.

Stuart said...

I couldn't read past the bit where you said that Starbucks pays huge sums in VAT... because your credibility went out of the window right there. Companies don't pay VAT, consumers do. The VAT on each sale is NEVER included in company accounts as it is never their money, it belongs to the consumer until the moment it ends up in a cash register, from which time it belongs to the treasury.

Mark Wadsworth said...

S, so you've fallen for the myth that "consumers pay the VAT"?

If you go to the bother of looking at real life evidence, you'll find that is not true.

In recent years, standard rate VAT in the UK went from 17.5% to 15% to 17.5% to 20%.

The ONS publishes price indices for VAT-inclusive prices of VAT-able supplies and price indices for non-VATable supplies.

Rather unsurprisingly, the overall rate of inflation for both types was exactly the same, month by month and year by year.

If what you say were true, then prices for VAT-able supplies would been 2.5% lower and then 2.5% and another 2.5% higher than for non-VATable.

Physiocrat said...

Stuart - you need to read up about "Tax Incidence". The economic impact of a tax is rarely on the one nominally responsible for paying it.